Used one once in gunsmith school to regulate barrels in a shotgun I lined with rifle liners. however heat, on both rifle and shotgun barrels, can cause heat fusions. 00: STAMP RIFLE CALIBER ON BARREL: $75. I've used 60/40 and regular NoCorrode(sp?) paste flux to re-rib a hundred or so cartridge SxS shotguns and rifles and reattach loose ribs and have yet to have a complaint. A front sling mount can be attached by clamping (there are such swivels available from Uncle Mike's), or a swivel can be soldered to the lower barrel. I first tried to sweat it on with flux. 00: STAMP SERIAL NUMBER (HAND ENGRAVED) $250. May 30, 2012 · Jack Rowe, Master Gunsmith, discusses how barrels are soldered together on English Shotguns. Either sintering to the bottom of the site base first or mashing the solder wire flat and fitting it in between the base and the barrel, then wiring to the barrel with copper wire seem to both be successful. Gun barrels are not hardened. Dec 9, 2023 · One barrel or 100 barrels, please send copy of shotgun barrel inventory, you want to sell with prices. you will be going up to 1150*F to get the silv soilder to flow, and this will re-temper the steel you are soldering to. Jun 5, 2012 · Please look at the picture of "1100 trashed" on this board and do not mess with removing a rib from a shotgun barrel at home. Jul 8, 2011 · Hi, Nice job. the loosened portion of the rib place a small amount of powdered rosin and some fine solder shavings, then carefully heat the loosened portion of the rib and the barrels at that point, with a small torch flame until the solder melts and runs. Unless the metal is VERY clean and fluxed solder will not spread even if you get it very hot. Get a few cheap double barrels and practice Apr 20, 2020 · I used a propane torch to heat the barrel and sleeve. What equipment do I need to silver solder an AR-15 barrel? Mar 22, 2009 · Simmons invented the free floating ventilated rib! In 1947, Simmons began silver soldering the rib post on barrels which creates a bond 10 times stronger than that of other methods. www. You just want it to melt just for a second. A loose rib is pretty common on old double-barrel shotguns. Jan 12, 2013 · Residual silver solder can be removed by heating it, and wiping the area with a folded clean cotton cloth while hot. However if all you have ever done is older a few wiring connections odds are you won't succeed. This presents a problem when refinishing (rebluing) an old shotgun. small cracks on the inside of the barrel. 5 inch Apr 28, 2024 · Black oxidizing, or bluing, is a way to create a thin protective shell around steel and is often used on gun barrels. Do you think they can stand this? Shotgun barrels as far as I know is not heat treated. This particular shotgun had 3” chambers, so that’s the size reamer I used. Safety First: Properly protect skin when using Van's Instant Gun Blue. Depending on your altitude, the temperature of the tanks is between 260 and 320 degrees Fahrenheit. Therefore, adding 3 ounces to an 8 pound gun (which is about a 2% weight increase) will decrease the recoil about 2%. This requires brazing flux as well as the brazing rod. carriage to Proof House), from £99. Excellent for steel, stainless steel, nickel, brass and copper. I find the suggestion of using epoxy appalling. If you get a sloppy fit you can solder the lug in place. If this is the case, return the gun. Double barrel shotguns and double rifles are assembled with soft solder, the solder is softened during "regulating", the process of firing the gun, then adjusting the barrels to point of aim, so they hit the same place. Jul 23, 2023 · Finsaas/ FTT 221 1 Vincent Finsaas Joseph Caccavo FTT 231 07/08/2023 Remington 870 Ventilated Ribs Installation Soldering is a widely used technique in gunsmithing for securely attaching ribs to shotgun barrels. 1. Thought I'd try a little home repair. Cleaned the area with Gun Scrubber, then layed a strip of masking tape down each side of the barrel as close as I could to the rib. So, backing up, let’s first ascertain the conceptual need for regulation by looking closely at shotgun barrels; and for the sake of conversation, let’s use side-by-side barrels. Jan 24, 2010 · Suspend the barrels from a finger by means of the lugs. Aug 8, 2010 · Silver solder has been used in gunsmithing for many years, most shotgun ribs on barrels are silver soldered on and shot gun barrels are thin compared to AK's, many handgun front sights are silver soldered on as well. gl/FRdNssIn this week's bonus episode, we are showing you the basic technique on how to silver Jun 29, 2024 · Odds of a barrel set off of gunbroker actually fitting your receiver are probably under 1%. Dec 14, 2018 · Silver "soldering " is really brazing with a silver based filler rod. Nov 8, 2016 · Thanks Robert. solder melts at much lower temp and would not damage a barrel as soon as you melt any part of that barrel it is weak at that spot and is a major safety hazard your only option is to replace it --- or if the damaged section is out past the 18. 650°F (probubly closer to 570°). A barrel band sling swivel is a classic addition to any rifle. Weapon made from a shotgun. Place thin flattened solder between barrel and sight, use a piece of spring steel to hold pressure on it as described above. Sep 30, 2005 · I've completely degreased and sanded to bare metal the top of the barrel and the underside of the sight. I have fooled with the solder joint on the barrels. all the best, Pine Creek/Dave - Straight Sighting Plane - Floating Vent rib action - Extra Strong Silver soldered posts A ventilated rib barrel is a valuable feature for shotguns that offers several significant benefits. Usually double barrel shotguns are blued using a process called bakering which usually costs a bit more than hot blueing because it involves more work. Dec 18, 2012 · You might be better off and cheaper taking it to a smith to have it done properly the first time. Got the gun so cheap I thought experimenting on it was worthwhile. As to Jeff's opinion on the "ring test", single barrels will "ring" as well! And he is right, on a double barrel, it is the de-lamination of the solder joint between the two barrels that kills the ring. 00: Solder Top Rib & Reblue Double Shotgun Entirely : $640: SOLDER VENT RIB & REBLUE BARREL ONLY: $450. Sep 9, 2009 · Was shooting my very old Win 101 yesterday and what do you know . Heating the barrel that hot will probably scale the bore, but that can be prevented by coating the bore with flux or by filing the bore with a snug fitting hardwood dowel extending beyond both sides of the sight location. Feb 23, 2014 · I am sure paste solder would work better but I just use a hammer to flatten out a piece of regular acid core solder, smear a little of solder flux on the barrel, a little on the base of the sight. It would have been slid on as the barrels were being soldered together. I used silver bearing solder paste in a tube. This causes a number of problems. Dec 3, 2010 · I have a Stoeger Zephyr Upland King, 16 gauge, SxS shotgun. Apply flux to the joint, heat the area evenly, and then apply silver solder to the joint, ensuring a strong and secure bond. All that black stuff is furnace flux and washes off with hot water. I did manage to remove the ribs from a bad set of double shotgun barrels using a hand held torch. ), from £90. May 20, 2020 · Here is a photo of a set of 28 ga. Sep 15, 2007 · The lug is the part the fore end snaps on to. Nov 21, 2007 · It's not just a cosmetic thing, the salts will weaken the solder joint and at some point the rib will come loose. I clean it good, wipe it with a liquid flux, then put a lil paste flux on it, cut a piece of solder & mash it flat in clean pliers, put it between the barrel & underlug, put the lil retainer clamped to hold it in place & put the heat to it. com Dec 26, 2022 · Showing how small wedges are wired around a double-harrel shotgun, used to hold the rib in placc while it is being soldered. Mar 27, 2009 · judging just by the picture i see pits in the barrel metal, that suggests someone tried to "welding" on that part to the barrel, no good!. In fact about 4 inches was loose. I simply clean the joints with acetone, flux the barrel and lug, hold the lug in place with wire, and tilt the barrel over a bit to the side so gravity helps the flow of the solder. This entails dipping the gun parts in a clean solution bath and then dipping them in a bluing solution for up to a half an hour. I never could get the heat just right to get the solder to flow properly. I didn't like the idea of it so I looked for a replacement barrel only to find that the distributers and every other contact I have can't get a replacement. This is the reasn a double barrel cannot be hot tank blued. Ithaca barrels are available in the following styles: Upland Shotgun Barrels •12 gauge M37 vent rib barrel in 26″ and 28″ lengths. Bulldogger 10-07-2020, 04:48 PM #4 11 . It is very nickel compatible. Do I need to use a kind of solder designed for abuse and recoil, or will any silver solder with 450 degree melting point do? Aug 10, 2008 · Not trying to be to picky, but All SXS's are soldered, lead or silver. Feb 4, 2011 · The barrel came with two dovetails cut into the lower side of the barrel. The solder used in barrelmaking is usually 60% tin and 40% lead, although some makers use pure tin. I silver soldered a scope base to a Remington 1100 barrel once with no problems. Feb 24, 2011 · This thread is interesting. Jan 3, 2018 · Today, barrels for break-action shotguns (whether side-by-side, over/under or single-barrel models), are mostly built on the monobloc principle. Anvil 088: Shotgun Rib Soldering. You will need a generous amount of it throughout the barrel soldering process. with a shotgun, it really does not make a differences as, if the gun was bought used, the barrel may already Jan 16, 2024 · How to silver solder AR-15 barrel? To silver solder an AR-15 barrel, first ensure the barrel and gas block are clean and free of any oil or residue. Now I know. The best method is to flux the inside of the KA-1212BR and the outside of the barrel, slide the KA-1212BR in place, set the barrel up using a vise or similar so that the barrel is pointing down (aids in solder flow), align the bead hole in it so that the sight will be correct, turn and install a heat sink (recommended but not They can also be used to give a gun a tighter choke than it was originally bored to. Replacements pins, including engraving, from £50. Watch along as Larry Potterfield, Founder and CEO of MidwayUSA, show how he fits the band to t Dec 31, 2011 · Every shotgun user should see the rust and erosion that lurks between the barrels of a double gun when the ribs are removed. Checked temperatur with a infrared thermometer as good as possible. Oct 17, 2022 · I believe that's how two-piece barrels for pistols like the 1911 are made, and it mostly works. Apr 25, 2012 · Older guns were soft soldered together. Then snap the muzzle smartly with your fingernail ("ding" it) The barrels should ring like a bell. I stumbled upon this great site some time ago and i like what i read. It enhances the overall balance of the shotgun by distributing weight more evenly along the barrel, resulting in improved handling and reduced muzzle rise. We bore out the smaller barrel to match the inside diameter of the other barrel, so both bores are exactly the same diameter. Aug 7, 2018 · 2. 7 inch ballistic advantage barrel with 2. 2. factories did) or you go the whole way and do the job right. Nov 24, 2021 · Since parkerizing is done at a much lower temperature, it was safe to do so in terms of the soldering not being affected. May 16, 2021 · Heat around the outside of the barrel to heat up the solder, rather than heating the ring directly. A knowledgeable refinisher will know this and will use another method to reblue the barrels. May 16, 2008 · sorry, I am not a gunsmith and probably should not have made the comment about JB weld. I have a Mossberg 590 ghost ring, Saiga12, FabarmFP8 (bought 140USD and cut bbl to51cm and refinished it myself) and a Saiga 410. I was advised that an external type choke would be the prefered solution. It involves the use of a metal alloy, typically consisting of lead and tin. The limiting factor for hot bluing is its temperature. Jul 2, 2017 · AA trap loads, the lower rib buckled and separated from the barrels. Another method is to rust blue your gun. Jan 3, 2006 · I need to reattatch a shotgun barrel lug. They have to remain somewhat elastic. Jan 17, 2024 · I actually called Briley to understand what had been done, the gun had been stolen when the work was done, and they added custom made SK1 & Sk2 screw in chokes, as they sleeved the gun. The wood will burn and consume the oxygen before it creates iron oxide on the bore surfaces. Gunsmith silver solder is a 56% silver braze alloy that is very easy to use and has a good color match with steel. Experts can solder a rib on a barrel, unsolder a rib, and otherwise heat a barrel without compromising the steel, but if YOU try that you are very likely to raise the heat of the barrel steel beyond the point where you damage the temper of the steel. The low temp solder can be done by tinning both pieces and soldering with a propance torch. Were seeing this quite alot and do solid rib repair for some big name makers, the only good way to not have this problem is by not using a hot salt bluing on barrels with so many parts to them. Jul 15, 2021 · Yes I made these barrels last year The lead free solders won’t work on steel. A trace may be left where the metal was tinned- it can be buffed away. Silver solder will be harder than lead/tin solder. I haven't heard of the Forney 38116 but I will use anything that works well. The two are clamped in place and heated enough to melt the soft silver solder along the interface of the two parts. What type of solder should I use for soldering a steel shotgun top rib? For soldering a steel shotgun top rib, it is best to use a high-temperature solder with a melting point above 400 degrees Fahrenheit. On some competition guns you will see an adjustable rib. S. Apr 18, 2015 · Has anybody else had an issue with the forearm latch lug that is soldered to the bottom of your barrels (SKB 150, 200E, 280, 385, 400 or 485) coming lose or off? I have seen this happen to two 385s now. Shotgun Barrels. There should be no physical gap between a side-by-side gun's barrels. Every time a shot is taken, the barrel expands slightly, then contracts back to original dimension. Oct 22, 2003 · I rough with fine sand paper and clean with Acetone first. WHAT IS THE LATEST WAY OF SOLDERING THE RIB ON THE BARRELS ALSO POST US ABOUT THE CHEMICAL USED IN IT. Apr 10, 2008 · Never soldered barrels but have done lots of soldering, both hard and soft. This is hotter than some soft solders used on double shotgun barrels and can potentially melt the solder and ruin the barrels. May 5, 2020 · Hi Folks, relatively new to this forum and posted in past on an SKB restore, unfortunately the soft solder bond from monoblock to barrels has decayed over time and I could not cheat by a reheat did not work with 20thou separation after a workout and I had no option but to remove the monoblock from the SKB Kits include a gun, tips for a variety of applications, solder, and a wrench. Tinning is when you coat the parts in solder prior to assembly. If you have access to oxy/acetylene torches then its the way to go. This lug is flaired below the barrels so you can not pull it up for removal. Soldering barrels is a tricky operation, you never know what solder they used at the factory (different solders flow at different temperatures), plus the barrels are thin. Because the screwdriver blade is tapered or wedge-shaped, the gun owner often inadvertently scars the barrel or the sides of the opening of the vent in the rib below the dent. I doubt seriously that there was any aftermarket work done on the barrels pictured. At no point is the sight floating on the solder with no contact with the barrel. The solder will soften at the bluing temperature. Apr 13, 2013 · Thanks David, Being a retired 30 year Machinest turned Woodworker and a lover of LC Smith's I really appreciate this information. Joining barrels properly has always been an art form. This 'solder' requires more heat than many want to subject a barrel to and requires extensive cleaning up after the barrel cools down from red to bright red heat, depending on the 'silver solder' used. 22 onto a single shot 20 Ga. Jul 26, 2012 · I decided to take some advice when I was completely committed to cutting down the barrel of my newly acquired Mossberg Maverick 88 12ga pump. The main objective was to install the poly choke myself. I heat from front to back, and as the sight contacts the barrel on the front end, it's still held in position by the un-melted solder at the rear. There is no guide other than recommendations for electronics soldering. Bends very easily which is a quick way of telling the soft silver solder from the hard stuff that only a soldering genius can do. Relay ribs & re-blacking, from £300. The TIG temperature may melt some of the solder on the gun. Most rods need about 1100 deg. If they go "thunk" then you have problems with the solder that joins the barrels. You could also watch youtube videos on how to solder a shotgun barrel set and if you have the skills and talent may even pull it off. (400-500 Feb 18, 2005 · I checked with my mechanical engineer who pointed out that shotgun barrels are normally soft soldered together. Jun 25, 2015 · Soft solder uses a much lower temperature and is safe for most jobs. Typically, the gun owner uses a tapered blade screwdriver to try to pry up the depressed section of the rib. ) Is silver soldering really "soldering" (like, could I just use the non-toxic solder from Lowe's or Home Despot?) or is it "brazing"? Nov 22, 2020 · Alternatively, I could have used traditional flux and solder and tinned the parts. Jan 30, 2014 · I would file dovetails, it is a skill you need to learn. 00 or my face or a friends or family members face being blown up I'd pick 300. I'm surprised no one mentioned taking it a gunsmith. The repaired gun was then used weekly on the trap fields. I have soldered on round barrel lugs, pretty easy to do and they are on rock solid. As you have guessed a black gun fan. You said there was some rust - that's your clue. •12 gauge M37 field barrel with brass bead sight in 26″ and 28″ lengths. Mar 9, 2008 · On the guns, it has been divided between muzzle loaders, rifle and shotgun, both repro and antiques, old BP cartridge guns and modern. I've wrapped 220 grit sandpaper around the barrel, grit side out, and rubbed the bottom of the sight on it to make a perfect fit between sight and barrel. You must have bare steel showing and be oil free. Barrels are most likely soft soldered into the monoblock and the ribs are soft soldered on. I'm using silver solder and a propane torch. The ventilated rib is loose from the three pillars along the middle of the barrel. Afterward, finish off the barrel gaps with some cold-bluing solution. Thanks in advance!! Tom Reynolds How to Repair an Antique Shotgun with SSF-6 Silver Solder. Owner wants the barrel extended from about 19" -28". •20 gauge M37 vent rib barrel in 26″ and 28″ lengths. But the possibility of the finish being damaged is there and rather likely. Jun 25, 2012 · The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. But I do know prep and cleanliness it the heart of a successful soldering job. Turned out it was only on that tight and the solder was liquid long before. theres a big difference between a gun manufacturer using a automated welders (where vairables such as heat, amps and all that is greatly controlled in a stable enviornment) and a person doing it. My situation is this, one of the rings has a loose fit with the dovetail and I am considering silver soldering the ring to the barrel. Nov 11, 2013 · For the full length version of this and other MidwayUSA videos visit the MidwayUSA Video Library: http://bit. Dec 13, 2023 · This is a 13. I don't intend to start soldering barrels together, but I know of one that is for sale that the Rib is broken loose about 3 inches down from the chamber end. Although the top British gun barrel makers seem to prefer a tree resins. The chamber of each barrel must meet the breech face at a true perpendicular in order that the cartridge head is impacted uniformly upon recoil and not deformed Jan 27, 2015 · Generally, double barrel shotguns can't be hot blued using the traditional salts and tanks. Silver solder has a gold color and soft solder looks silver. I come from Greece where we are only allowed smoothbores with barrel length over 52cm( aprox. Silver soldering is a art form to say the least, I never got the hang of it really. If you would like to pay the full amount now select "Pay in Full" at the bottom of this order form, or email us and request your invoice for the remaining balance May 29, 2011 · switching the all-thread between barrels will help also. Therefore, a conventional shotgun sight, which would screw right into a tapped hole in the top of the barrel, cannot be used because it would puncture the now-thinner, tapped end of the barrel, and any sight post would interfere with the screw-in tubes. I did several with copper bearing stuff before I found a tube of the silver bearing stuff online. 00. 742, which is too big for safe use of choke tubes. Economy Instant-Heat Soldering Guns These guns heat up the instant you pull the trigger and cool down quickly when you let go. This allows you to alter the shot placement of your shotgun, but only if you can move the front of the rib. Oct 9, 2017 · installing the barrel lugsKashtukbowcraft. I use indirect heat by placing a (copper) soldering tip on a plumbers torch and Sep 1, 2019 · In simple terms the construction of shotgun barrels is of two separate tubes, connected at the breech end either by high temperature brazing or soldering and many contrived mechanical joints, or by being pressed and welded to a mono-block. The gun fits me perfect, and I am quite happy how it works for clay shooting. The back end of the rib was coming loose. He tells me he will need to measure the 12 gauge barrel to see if he will tap it. How to prepare and tin parts prior to joining by soldering. com The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. To begin with the magazine loop is brazed on 870 and 1100 barrels. Also, lead-free soft solder does not spread nearly as well or easily as regular lead-containing solder. After everything cooled off from the soldering operation, it was time to ream the chambers. Browning, double gun, from £130. Used to be soft solder, now it could be silver solder on some guns. Some things to consider. The overall barrel length is 16 inches due to the pinned and welded muzzle device. Jul 28, 2010 · My next thought would be one of the oven-bake finishes from Brownells. 3. #flintlock #shotgunat first I wish a nice easter to all of you and have a good time in holidayIn this video you will see the soldering of the barrels and rib. Brownells Hi-Force 44 Solder is an alloy solder containing 4% silver and 96% tin. Many gun makers silver solder components to their barrels with no issues - it's no big deal. Even had a Browning in my shop that had a piece of solder that was loose and would rattle when the barrel was tilted up and down. barrels 32" long I made for a custom shotgun all wired up and the way they came out of the furnace after silver soldering on the ribs and RR thimbles. 870 full rifle sighted slug barrel & will be ready to resolder the front sight back on shortly. and 12 ga. 1. Mar 28, 2013 · While waiting for my H&R to return with its new barrels, I called my gunsmith to line him up to drill and tap the 20 ga. In 1954, Simmons began installing ribs on the Model 42 shotgun for Winchester. I don't tin the lugs and barrel. HOW aTO USE Installation Requirements The maximum bore diameter for barrels to be equipped with Solder-In Choke Sleeves is . You will pay 50% now, and be invoiced for the remainder when your barrel is ready to ship. Old fashioned lead solder difficult to find not tried plumbers solder , Did it on gas stove with three burners going and the wife was out I used an etch flux. If you are gonna go to that much trouble and expense you probably need to do it right. Doing so will indeed ruin your gun and melt some of the solder. I sweat the solder under the base. 00 and when it comes to around 300. Still looking for a set of 20 gauge nitro steel barrels, to make the gun a 2 barrel set, with different gauge barrels, no luck so far. The rib assembly and barrel is fluxed then tinned with soft silver solder (Stay-Brite & Stay-Clean). Jan 23, 2012 · The barrels are probably in a soft non-quenched state so they could not lose their quenching hardness; barrels don't have to be hardened like knives or bearings and it's probably safer to have a ductile barrel fail then to have a brittle barrel fail. Make sure to have several tubs of flux on hand. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Apr 4, 2012 · Silver solder fluxes are usually a white paste and turn glassy from heat before hot enough for solder to flow. The barrel was cut to 25", with the intent of using screw in choke tubes. Jun 2, 2006 · Shotguns can be found fewer than 300. Solder tenons onto an octagon to round barrel Silvaloy 355 is recommended for joining steel, stainless steel, copper, copper alloys, nickel, nickel alloys and precious metals to themselves or any combination of these. Apr 3, 2022 · The weight of a set of barrels can have a material effect on the balance and handling of a shotgun, so every component of the barrel, including the ribs, are important. REAL "silver solder" as we call it, is the high temperature solder that is called "Silver Brazing" in the States. Because at first the sleeve wasn't moving at all I maybe heated it to max. This gun modification set the standard for the industry. Ithaca shotguns were originally manufactured in 1937 in response to the Remington Model 17. On a ribless gun there is no problem with hard or soft solder, it bypasses the problem altogether. Oct 26, 2016 · The National Firearms Act Handbook explains the acceptable methods for barrel measurement and permanent muzzle-device attachment as follows: “…measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to Nov 3, 2009 · as a CWI, welding engineer, and past professional welder i don't think you should be silver brazing on the chamber area of a single barrel shotgun. TIG barrel re-sleeving of soft-solder sleeved gun, from £800. 2 . If you do not have experience with silver solder I would take it to a reputable gunsmith. Feb 2, 2007 · the barrel will certainly not warp or anything like that. A weapon made from a shotgun is a shotgun type weapon that has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length. Feb 9, 2006 · I've cut the barrel on a rem. In guns with a solid cross pin or hinge pin (terminolgy varies but the part is the same), I have seen the pin drawn out, reversed and replaced with the unworn side facing the barrels. In this type of construction, the barrels are silver-soldered into a machined steel monobloc assembly containing the ejector cuts and the solid projections under the breech end (called lumps) that fit Dec 22, 2005 · I recently had the barrel shortened and fitted with Colonial screw-in choke tubes. The minimum barrel outside diameter (assuming Feb 3, 2011 · vids on you tube on how to solder. Watch along as Larry Potterfield, Founder of MidwayUSA, demonstrates the pr Jan 25, 2012 · I agree that soldering is the way to go, but High Strength silver solder shouldn't be nessacary for a sight. Carrier Barrel (customer provides barrel) $625. In this video, Larry Potterfield, Founder and CEO of MidwayUSA, demonstrates how to properly rep Dec 10, 2007 · Gun Dr's way of soldering a round bushing on the barrel hook and refitting the barrels to the receivers sounds milder and less drastic than welding. I build Encore barrels with the lug silver soldered on, never a separation and these lugs face many times more pressure than a forend lug on a shotgun barrel. •12 gauge M37 vent rib barrel in 30″lengths. ly/1aB92oMA loose top rib is a common problem on Jun 7, 2010 · Hello every one. 00 . In the case of “soldered” barrels, the tubes and barrel-lump assemblies are brazed near the breech, and then the rest of the barrel components are soldered together. Shop Shotgun Barrels & Parts Products at Brownells with 19 items including Shotgun Barrels, Shotgun Ribs & Heat Shields, Shotgun Barrel Parts, & Shotgun Gauge Reducers Up To 31% Off From Top Brands like BERETTA USA, MOSSBERG, CARLSON'S and more. This is an older, one time classic, shotgun that needs some TLC. You can melt the solder that holds the barrels together with too much heat! Jan 28, 2023 · I've read a couple of articles on soldering ribs and the solder recommended was 60/40 rosin core. Most of the white that shows up around the ribs on SXS's is silver, the worst offenders are the Savage SXS's, some have more silver solder showing, then a beginner will have on his/her first sight sldering job! Sep 15, 2011 · A Philly Fox and a Utica Fox both had what we'd refer to as "soft soldered" barrels. Jan 3, 2024 · Sometimes a well-meaning fellow will try to re-solder old double barrel guns and end up with two loose barrels. This time the gun was sent to a double gun specialist. with a rifle this greatly reduces the accuracy of the rifle. (dull red) to flow properly. Blacking, double Jan 29, 2013 · The solder you see is not uncommon. Unfortunately the flux Ace provides with the kit is a liquid you do not want to use. Hi gunsmiths of reddit, I need some advice for reattaching the barrel of my Weatherby PA-08 shotgun to the piece that houses the shell tube (not sure what the parts are called, sorry!) I've been waiting for a replacement barrel for a year or so but apparently the manufacturer that makes them closed down, so I'm hoping I can maybe do a fix Apr 19, 2017 · SUBSCRIBE for new videos every Monday and Friday: https://goo. 00: STAKE FEED LATCH: $25. This is not too hot for shotgun barrels. Orlen of course is correct a fitted siver solder joint will be stronger than one tiged. Since I'm not set up with the equipment it takes to thread the barrel for the adaptor that you mentioned( inside or outside ), the cost to have it done buy a capable and skilled person wouldn't be feasible. The ends of the rib are still firmly attached to the barrel. Looks much better now, surprisingly better and I'm keeping a close watch on the barrels to see if any corrosion between the barrels might start. In fact, of all the classic shotguns, probably only the Winchester Model 21 has always had silver soldered barrels and the Browinging Superposed only since about I use StarBright silver bearing solder & a paste flux. There is a lot of pressure on that lug when you break the gun open to cock the hammers. There two rings,that are fitted into the dovetail slots and the magazine is mounted to the barrel by these rings. It is a sobering sight which induces a rethink of the rib issue. your metal will be already tinned so that helps. Loose barrels or barrels that are 'off the face' are pretty common on old double-barrel shotguns. The gun was sent to a gunsmith to re-lay the bottom rib and forearm lug. I have only used epoxy once and put sights with large bases from a . How do I prevent the solder from flowing into unwanted areas? To Whether you are touching up the barrel of your favorite shotgun or bluing an entire motorcycle frame, the following is a basic guideline to help ensure the best possible results. Dec 8, 2011 · 475-500 degrees won't hurt your barrel, nor will 6-700 degrees. 00 : CB: The maximum amount of inside barrel material is removed in an effort to make the barrel weigh the same as it did before a sub-gauge tube set is installed. 00 each. BOTH ribs prepped and re-soldered Remember, what we show here is what you need to Most double shotguns represented here. 3 inch Cobalt Kinetics RCB-KM Deadair Keymo device. Oct 13, 2013 · Chase down any voids in the solder with a bronze brush with flux on it and a spool of tin solder and double check straightness of the barrels and ribs. Rust bluing is a better option for parts with soft solder. When I got into double guns, I didn't know that the barrels would come apart. It compares closely with other brazing temperatures of around 1200 degrees. You only have to clean the burnt crud out. Jul 9, 2011 · Mr. Dec 5, 2008 · Forgets his gun until he hears it drop! He runs over the barrels! I had to shorten the barrels to just over 18" to get them round and straight It left a hollow hole in the rib at the front which I carefully had to solder a thin steel piece into with low temp solder. Aug 11, 2006 · If a relatively soft filler is used, and the barrel is rust blued after, the difference in finish is minimal or nonexistant. 00: THREAD BARREL-for Suppressor (Muzzle or Apr 7, 2012 · But if the shotgun is to be used, then you either do a "good enough" job (like most U. Dec 31, 2022 · You also have to be careful applying it o/u barrels, where the heat used to cure it may affect the integrity of the solder used to attach the barrels to the monoblock and the ribs to the barrels. This will be my 2-gun/low-light match gun for close range PCSL type shooting matches. (I have seen photos of Springfield Armory two-piece barrels that self-disassembled. May 12, 2008 · The method I use, is to not have the solder melt all at once, and the sight "float" on the liquid solder. Apr 23, 2011 · silver brazing is most id do. Aug 19, 2013 · Express style iron sights are a common feature on any large caliber safari rifle. Barrel repairs (dents, pitting etc. A few years later, the lower rib again buckled and separated from the barrels. I kind of figured that a repair would cost less than a new gun of comparable quality, I just can't justify the expense when I've got other guns that I can use at the moment. For original style steel ribs, the rib posts are individually silver brazed (silver soldered) onto the barrel. If the mag tube is joined to the barrel soft solder is likely to be strong enough. It is overflow from sweat soldering the side ribs in place. I think I'm going to put the gun away for now. Custom Brass Barrel Weights for over/under, top single, and unsingle shotguns. Feb 10, 2017 · In general, for typical shotgun weights and velocities, recoil varies directly proportional to the percent change in gun weight and varies about double the percentage change in muzzle velocity. They had a proprietary Epoxy supplied by the company to install them. You can heat the sight, till a drop of solder will melt on it, put it on spot and clamp with a c clamp then hit it with a low torch, in feathering sweeps. Estimated Barrel Order Lead Time (IN WEEKS) Due to the production time on a custom barrel, McGowen requires a 50% Deposit on this product. However, I would like to know what the tricks are or proceedure to doing it myself. The solder in a tube is easy to work with on a small surface. Permanent methods of attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head Stay-Brite silver solder is 5 times stronger than standard solder yet melts and flows freely at only 430° F, minimizing the potential for distortion We use cookies to give you the best possible experience. Disassembling and rejoining shotgun barrels: Straightening bent barrels - these were ran over with the car: Soldering ribs - the heat is provided Jun 9, 2011 · A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. A rule of thumb is know all the solder joints on your gun and use the same. Here's a link to the heat stop. Gun Mfgs' probably heat the barrels in a furnace in batches before soldering both for speed and Aug 8, 2006 · Go to the local Ace and they sell a soft silver solder kit- the solder wire is thin and readily heats up. Completely non-toxic. Both will need the areas prepped. Today shotguns have "silver soldered" barrels in order to resist the chemical action of hot bluing. I am assuming that silver soldering it back on is the correct way. Double gun shotguns - Side by Side shotguns, and over under shotguns - Including drillings, double barreled rifles, SxS double rifles, combination guns. It appears to be soldered on from the factory, but heating the barrels to re-solder it could reflow the solder that holds the barrels together. Mar 5, 2009 · Though both solders will hold well, the softer, lower temp lead/tin solder doesn't have the shear strength compared to the higher temp silver bearing solder. How is pin and weld completed? Dec 31, 2018 · Hi John, I don't know what someone else may have used, but this question sparked a memory how local gun shops in the 1950's and 1960's were franchised by the company that made Cutts Compensators and "Add On" Vent Ribs, to install them on modern shotgun barrels. corsonsbarrels. 735". welding can produce a lot of heat, almost too much sometimes. This is the preferred way for a quality gun to be made. Re-proof of barrels (once inc. Would some one be so kind as to walk me through it starting with the recommended solder, I get most things from Brownells, but any place you recommend is fine. barrels for scope bases. Hosed side by side barrels caused by hot dip bluing, and other circumstances. Oct 7, 2020 · Fancy shotgun companies used pure tin for soldering, I read, but I have just used normal plumbing/electronics solder and made sure all was tinned and clean, as Der G says. SOLDER SIDE RIBS & REBLUE BBLS / WITH RECIEVER: $525 / $715: SOLDER SOLID RIB: $525. They don't Sep 27, 2014 · Regular 60/40 or 50/50 lead/tin general purpose solder works fine and was used for a few centurys w/o much problem. Jan 19, 2006 · The heat necessary to weld sling swivels on your barrel might also damage the solder that holds them together. Watch as Larry Potterfield, Founder and CEO of MidwayUSA ti Dec 4, 2008 · SOLDERING RIB ON GUN BARREL. This braze alloy contains 56% silver and the rest is copper and zinc. Because this pump-action shotgun both loads and ejects shells from the bottom, the Ithaca has become a popular choice for left-handed shooters. Feb 14, 2006 · Soldering Jump to Latest 614 views 2 replies 2 participants last post by Stewart Feb 15, 2006 Mar 18, 2019 · I'm trying to silver solder on a shotgun ghost sight and I want to know what kind of silver solder to use. Lots of patience, silver solder, flux and wire. your barrel is most likely a heat treatable alloy similar to 4140 with a BHN Jan 4, 2011 · Seldom were they successful. Oct 26, 2004 · Hello gunnut69, I may have to scrap the idea. Unfortunately the bore is . I am like you as I have limited experience with this type of job. One way to blue your gun barrel is to hot blue it. I have found this on many o/u barrels. Shotgun barrels are very thin to begin with and most GOOD shotgun barrels have a heat sink system to dissipate the heat faster. 20in). I already have Here's the situation; I was given an old 12 ga single barrel shotgun. The thought occurs to me , mossberg uses a copper based braze for their lugs. You can also use a brass soldering iron or a soft propane torch for extra heat around the for-end hanger and mono-block. Oct 7, 2021 · I have an offer to buy a used Beretta 686 E, over/under sporting shotgun. That involves soldering at the breech, then using wedges to align the barrels, shooting, adjusting the wedges, shooting again, and so on until both barrels "look to" the same point. Dec 29, 2019 · The rib/pipe assembly is then sanded to clean up the surface for soft silver soldering onto the barrel. Much like cutting the recesses, care is required in this operation. Silver solder or brazing solder are commonly used for this purpose. Just remember that with silver solders you want very little solder actually doing the holding, IOW- more isn't better. My only concern is that I would need to bake the barrels for at least a half hour, at at least 300*F Is this temp high enough to cause any problems with the barrel soldering (esp the mid rib)? I'm assuming being a stoeger they probably used soft solder. I remember it was 4 hour setting time A+B type clear epoxy and it has held over 20 years now and my grandson uses the gun regularly. I had an IAC 87 Lever action 12Ga(Winchester copy) with a short barrel come in today. I noticed this problem on the muzzle where two barrels are joined by brazing or soldering: one triangle of the solder fell off so there is a visible hole. Oct 10, 2012 · Paste doesn't work well for soldering jobs like that usually. I own two Anituas (Discoverers) and both sets of barrels ring nicely. It is often used for hobbyists, and gunsmiths ro mount scopes and sights on rifles. Modern hot bluing salts will attack and dissolve the solder so you will wind up with two single barrels instead of one double barrel. Sep 23, 2021 · There are many ways to remove shotgun barrel gaps, but a straightforward approach would be using a propane torch and a lead solder bar. None. That is why you have to use TIG welding, because this concentrates the heat to a very small area. Dec 7, 2010 · First of all, silver solder is brazing. xnqpr xeq rsaimu nakaerr lxxj hzrr tuz oazjlq bhmt vgihi
